It seems likely that a full fat AA destroyer would be at least 10,000 tonnes, probably more. As older ships leave service or are sold abroad, new vessels enter service.”. That previous comment may mean our adversaries do not want us to have such warpons as I have commented on.
Gosh if hit wrong place will turn radioactive cloud in high attitude all over it is will be worse than impact as would spread every where.
New Zealand) as the cost significantly reduces over time and reputation of the ship is established.”. DaveyB, your idea may have to be trialed usind scaled down models of a type 26 frigate. in… Read more ». Would be better to have IEP integrated from the start of build. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. It might also mean the wave guide would… Read more », There has been a lot of discussion of the future development of the Sampson radar. Personally I would be putting 4 ExLS systems (12 quad packable cells) into the space reserved for mk41 (way cheaper), to give another 48 missiles (CAAM). JavaScript is disabled. So nuclear weapons falling on the wrong location don’t usually explode, other classified means of preventing them exploding might be employed. CEAFAR is S band (although an L band version is in development). Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox! Even just swapping the standalone CAMM launchers for quad packable ExLS would let you increase load out density considerably. Be nice but probably pie in the sky! Seems to me BAES has at least two bites at this. Build the updated Type 45’s at Cammell Laird, Type 31 at Appledore and build the Type 26 on the Scotstan. Tomahawk is at end of life, ASROC is too limited in range and heli launched Sting Ray is more effective; we don’t need ESSM and SM-2.
What savings? The RCN are using the ExLS launcher, giving a compact loadout of 24 CAMM in addition to their comprehensive AAW, ASuW and NFS outfit. So yes, CAMM can be quad packed in a MK41 VLS, but its a waste of investment in a MK41 VLS designed for hot launch missiles to quad pack them with CAMM, when a low cost frame is all that’s required. Short range missiles can be quad packed so capacity will not be the issue but buying enough missiles to fill them. New Zealand) as the cost significantly reduces over time and reputation of the ship is established.”. T42s did suffer from hull creaking. More Escorts, more SSN’s – and more F35’s. At least the current Minister gets that and has been able to get 4 x P8A’s, 5 x C130J’s and a low-mileage vessel to provide Hydrographic and Diving Capability as well as support for LPD’s (that I hope will become LHD’s). More importantly for the purposes of a discussion on shipbuilding, he was formerly employed by BAE in Glasgow. T31, maybe, but why would you?
What on earth are you talking about?Perhaps they could let some water in to make it sit lower. Interestingly, the Tico’s and DDGs have such large magazines of missiles because they have to fire at least a salvo 3 at a supersonic target. We all remember the proposed ‘Frigate Factory’ for the Clyde, dropped by BAE after the UK Government scaled back and slowed the pace of the Type 26 Frigate build. I do agree with you that those who… Read more ». By the time the status change is appreciated, a navy could be wiped out. Yes, and build 8 of them to replace the 6 Type 45s. But there’s also scope to replace one of the superfiring guns with another silo farm. Well I deliberately said “apparently”. This would have to be maintained for a sole-sourced BAE T4X. And everyone waves their arms around and shouts “imagine the savings if we carry on with a Type 26 derivative”. Option 1 gives the most capability (plus a longer hull means it’ll likely be faster as well), but it requires the most alteration.… Read more ». It’s morethe size and weight of the mast the radar is on. Modern nuclear bombs will have classifed methods of arming and disarming nuclear weapons.
I think 48 surface to air missiles per ship may be enough but what they really need is OFFENSIVE weaponry. Any attempt to convert a frigate into a destroyer needs to be thought through thoroughly!
Would be mad to invest heavily there for the foreseeable. This Anti-British Troll has the Cheek to post on here! Build the new destroyer in the north east and a batch of 31s in Plymouth to provide resilience and competition. The main missile problems with the current T45, is lack of quad packable missiles. Hull plugs are definitely doable.
My suggestion is 4-6 of the new cruisers; 5 of the new Type 4x destroyers; 8 Type 26 Frigates and 8 Type 31e.
You could convert the multi mission bay into a missile silo for TLAM and anti balastic missiles. a ‘heavy frigate’, a general purpose version along the lines of the Australian version of the T26. It depends on the design of the ship (and its exact size) and my point was as an ’emergency or ‘ferrying’ role. SAMPSON itself is a multi-function dual-face active electronically scanned array radar produced by BAE Systems on the Isle of Wight but it’s a big, heavy and expensive piece of kit. Will have a good read. Basing the future destroyer off of the Type 45’s hull would at least be a better starting point; it is a design from the keel up intended to support a very heavy ship based radar and weapons suite. At the £250m price point they’ll be popular in South East Asia. As it would be next to impossible to add additional beam by the form of plugs without significantly upsetting the ship’s speed. Close. The pilot managed to evade the first missile, but in doing so got struck by the second – just don’t mention IFF and itchy fingers. In terms of… Read more ». “The Type 26 is of sufficient beam to be fitted with a tall Sampson type MFR radar mast – especially given the latest composite design options – so there is the basis to have a common hull type and family of ships: ASW, GP and AAW.”. The longest range weapon in the entire New Zealand Defence Force are the Penquins delivered with Australia’s failed Seasprite programme (which New Zealand made work). As older ships leave service or are sold abroad, new vessels enter service.”. It could look like a Zumwalt amd needing 70+ Mwatts of power. “There is also now increasing doubt that Type 31e will ever live up to its expectations on cost, capability and delivery schedule. If I was to arm the T45 I would choose TLAM due to it’s range it can prepare the ground for air strikes… Read more », What might be better from export POV is an AEGIS Version.
Sampson with Astor is reckoned by serious experts to be better than Aegis and the SM2……that’s a major plus for the RN. Keeps up the drumbeat of production without having to go back to the drawkng board every 15-20 years. As you correctly point out, an AAW destroyer doesn’t need the extra quiet hull and propulsion stuff that an ASW platform has, which reinforces the… Read more ». Yes. Davey B, thanks for that, learnt a lot. May just as well do the opposite; a significantly cheaper hull thanks to existing expertise and economies of scale, with a quicker production time and a proven power plant and sea worthiness. The Type-26, while ideal for the Pacific are also a Tier 1 capacity when our existing frigates are general purpose (GP); the ubiquitous ‘built for but not with’ towed sonar array and SSMs. The first being the Clyde with its Type 26 frigates and an eventual replacement for the Type 45 destroyers and the second site, currently somewhat up in the air given no contract has yet been awarded, would focus on building Type 31e Frigate. if you think of the different types of ship the RN needs designing and… Read more ». She is owned by Gardline. The effective turning moment from weight at the top of the mast increases with the height of the mast. Not quite, If a Plutonium “football” gets hit by a rail-gun round, either it will be smashed apart into small chunks or get vaporised. I guess a lot would surely depend upon the expected weapons fit for such a vessel expected to come into service from the mid to late 30s into the 40s and beyond no doubt. It would be interesting to know what the max number of VL silo’s would be on the T4X if they used the mission bay for additional cells. However, given the frequent twists and turns in the frigate… Read more ». Provided there is power, cooling and controls circuits as required supplied to the weapons platform mid-ship and the Tacticos CMS supports them, then there are several options. That one needs to be split between (currently) Govan and Rosyth. Submersibles, does not even need to go to 100m depth.
That’s fine, T26 seems to be working well- but I assume that’s to do with a better contractual arrangement ensuring both customer and supplier behave. "I'll get some more guns Sarge!"
Would Sampson still be the radar of choice by the time the T45s need replacing? voila. Ah it is a reason USA pushed other countries to set up around closer to Russia. The Arrowhead is not ment as a replacement… Read more ». DaveyB, your idea may have to be trialed usind scaled down models of a type 26 frigate. We only have three AWDs in a very challenging strategic environment. Problem is that Typhoon/Tempest and other air radars are developed by Leonardo in Scotland, while Sampson and Artisan are a BAES product.
Let us hope the MOD, et al continue with this very sensible build philosophy, particulary in a world becoming observably more unstable. This is one of the reasons why AESA… Read more ». However, some defence commentators have expressed concerns over whether or not the Type 26 Frigate hull is capable of supporting the system and required mast.
All not so difficult with electric drive. As we know the US will be building the Burke’s over Something like 50 years. The greatest defence is attack so fit strike length VLS and arm them with NSM until Perseus is ready. It will not have the fully surrounding compressive force to initiate fission/fusion.
What a good CV escort ship it would be, in theory it should be more cost effective than the T26 or T45 as it will be using current designs and technology with upgrade, so nothing really new would be… Read more ». As long as the hull can adapt to changing size, power generation, and weapons fit then why not? Geez and some are moaning about only having 48 type 41s on their new Frigates anyway. I fear though with our budget constraints we tend to the ‘eggs in one basket’ approach, understandable maybe when you weigh things up from the bean counter view but one super dooper ship can’t be everywhere. But, as I am guessing you know, 2 bo7mbs were dropped on North Carolina in the ’60s. Modern advances with GaN as opposed to GaAs transmit-receive modules should allow high placement of panels for earlier sea skimmer detection.
Sounds as if the RN is looking at the same type of hull extension program that the USN is doing with the ABs. Because the books tend to tell you the formulae - the "how it works". If its fitted with traps or angled deck for drones that wouldn’t work. And I do think we still need a smaller cheaper frigate like the 31 for gp duties, Let’s hope we get 10 of them. I do like the Arrowhead, plenty of capacity for upgrades. ..you don’t both work for the MOD by any chance. Would it be similar size or would it require a lengthened hull form I wonder to give the flexibility it might need for the type of anti air coverage (and general purpose requirements if any) that will have to go beyond the T45 one presumes. What a good idea, Oh wait I’ve been saying that for ages, take the T26 lenghen it by 10-15 meters forward of the bridge and a T45 electronic fit, possibly retaining the T26 sonar suite, anti air, anti ship should be either the 56xMk41 or 56xA-70 in the bows, retaining the T26 midship Sea Ceptor. The benefits of the… Read more ».
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